Dear Jonas,
thank you for your detailed reply. It helped me understand your points better. I wish there was a better way of communication apart from long e-mails. At least we have a telco tomorrow and we can use it to solve the last points of this issue with all team members.
I have replied between your lines.
Talk to you tommorow.
Best, Katerina
Στις Παρ, 23 Αυγ 2019 στις 4:43 μ.μ., ο/η Jonas Gamalielsson < jonas.gamalielsson@his.se> έγραψε:
Dear Katerina and all,
See our comments below.
On 2019-08-22 13:41, Katerina Tsinari wrote:
Dear Jonas,
I am replying to your e-mail from the 2nd of August between your lines, marked in blue. Looking forward to our discussion next Thursday in our telco.
Best, Katerina
Στις Τρί, 20 Αυγ 2019 στις 6:29 μ.μ., ο/η Katerina Tsinari <tsinari@abe.gr mailto:tsinari@abe.gr> έγραψε:
Dear Jonas, I have now deleted the video from Unit 4. If you ever need to access our project YouTube account, here are the credentials: Username: foss4smes.project@gmail.com <mailto:foss4smes.project@gmail.com> Password: Foss4smes2019!% I will go through my e-mails tomorrow and will get back to you on the rest of your points. Best, Katerina Στις Δευ, 5 Αυγ 2019 στις 12:03 μ.μ., ο/η Jonas Gamalielsson <jonas.gamalielsson@his.se <mailto:jonas.gamalielsson@his.se>>έγραψε:
Dear all, On Friday 2 August we became aware that there is a potential copyright infringement in the Youtube video (for which there is a link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1MO6dhcTOk&feature=youtu.be) distributed in the zip-file for unit 4 (https://foss4smes.eu/wp-content/uploads/FOSS4SMEs_course_en.zip).
The University of Skövde partner in the FOSS4SMEs project has not obtained all necessary rights for the copyrighted material (logotypes) used in the background of the videos which are available on Youtube. Weare
unaware whether any other partner has obtained all necessary rights for the copyrighted material used in the videos, and we have certainly not received any documentation of that any partner or the FOSS4SMEs project has obtained such rights. In our previous email (on 2 August 2019) we requested that the video for unit 4 is deleted immediately. We just checked and see that the video is still available on Youtube. We are very concerned because of this, and therefore again request that the video is deleted immediately. We understand that some partners may currently be on vacation and we are do not know who have access to the Youtube account "FOSS4SMEs Project" for which the video has been uploaded. Hence, we reach out to all due to the urgency of this matter. Best Björn and Jonas -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [FOSS4SMEs-team] FOSS4SMEs: Project status 29.07.19 Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:44:02 +0200 From: Jonas Gamalielsson <jonas.gamalielsson@his.se <mailto:jonas.gamalielsson@his.se>> To: Katerina Tsinari <tsinari@abe.gr <mailto:tsinari@abe.gr>>, FOSS4SMEs mailing list <foss4smes-team@lists.fsfe.org <mailto:foss4smes-team@lists.fsfe.org>> CC: Cosmas Vamvalis <vamvalis@abe.gr <mailto:vamvalis@abe.gr>> Dear Katerina and all, Thanks for the update. We are now back from our vacation and can report that we have obtained some valuable feedback related to O2/A4when
discussing the learning content with a number of different stakeholders. We hope to obtain additional feedback during August and will provide details later. We have now considered your email of 29 July, and related to O2/A4 we note that "Usage scenarios 2 and 3 are ready: check our page https://www.foss4smes.eu/?page_id=66 to find information." We have checked what is currently available on the FOSS4SMEs website by following the link above and still find that the current situation (2 August 2019 11:00 CET) is as follows. For usage scenario 1 thereis
currently no link that can be used by SMEs. For usage scenario 2 there is currently no link that can be used by SMEs. For usage scenario 3, based on our assessment, no unit provided via the website can be distributed to SMEs. The "O2/A4 assessment methodology and tools" (version 3.0)document
details three usage scenarios. The link referred to at the webpage
(https://www.foss4smes.eu/?page_id=66) for usage scenario 1 (https://www.foss4smes.eu/moodle/) does certainly not comply with what has been discussed at the Dublin meeting and agreed in thedocument
"O2/A4 assessment methodology and tools" (version 3.0). Further, the link referred to at the web page (https://www.foss4smes.eu/?page_id=66) for usage scenario 2 (https://foss4smes.eu/wp-content/uploads/FOSS4SMEs_course_en.zip)does
certainly not comply with what has been discussed at the Dublin meeting and agreed in the document "O2/A4 assessment methodology andtools"
(version 3.0). The content of the zip-file does not contain all that is necessary in order to "install the entire training system withits
associated learning content for local (on premise) use". There are a number of reasons for this. One reason is that the zip-file does not contain "the entire training system".--> I will ask our IT to solve this.
Another reason is that the zip-file does not contain the complete learning content since no licensing information is provided.--> ATL provides licencing information in Unit 1. We had a Peer Review process and then updated again our Unit.
There seems to be some misunderstanding. The zip-file we refer to contains the Moodle dump file "foss4smes_course_en.mbz". Further, we just checked the file for Unit 1 in the Keybase folder "K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Outputs\Output 2\A1 Training course contents\Final Units ENG\Final PDF files 27.06.19" and cannot find any licensing information. Hence, we find that the learning content for unit 1 lacks licensing information which is a prerequisite for use in company contexts.
--> Can you please create the PDF files in a way that the hyperlinks
included in the word version don’t get lost? I personally don’t know how to do it. If you have another solution, please make a suggestion.
Yet another reason is that instructions for installation should be included in the zip-file and allow for an easy installation by a non-expert user (e.g. by typing "install" at a command line after having unpacked the zip-file). Linking to an external website (https://docs.moodle.org/37/en/Course_restore) does not fulfil requirements for usage scenario 2 according to the "O2/A4 assessment methodology and tools" (version 3.0) document.--> I will ask our IT to solve this.
Further, the external website (https://docs.moodle.org/37/en/Course_restore) does not contain any information concerning how to install "the entire training system" (it merely explains how to restore a course in an existing moodle instance).--> I will ask our IT to solve this.
In addition, the link referred to at the web page (https://www.foss4smes.eu/?page_id=66) for usage scenario 3 (https://foss4smes.eu/wp-content/uploads/FOSS4SMEs_PDF_en.zip)does
certainly not comply with what has been discussed at the Dublin meeting and agreed in the document "O2/A4 assessment methodology andtools"
(version 3.0). There are a number of reasons for this. First, the shortcut for the video for unit 4 ("4.0 VIDEO Introduction to Unit 4") links to a video which contains copyrighted material (e.g. the logotype for Open Source Initiative) for which we have not obtained all necessary rights. It is _very_ important the video is not provided on any website (including Youtube). We request that the video is deleted immediately.--> deleted.
Second, the learning content is provided in several PDF-files for each unit instead of one file for each unit (there are separate PDF-files for subsections and assessments).--> According to our training the learner should be able to choose what he/she needs to learn. This is why we provide all units separately. I will ask for our IT to create also one that contains all units together, in case someone wants to have everything downloaded.
Providing separate PDF files for different sections does not fulfill requirements in the document "O2/A4 assessment methodology and tools" (version 3.0). Providing one PDF file for each unit is what is expected for usage scenario 3.
--> I see. I will ask our IT to solve this. Sorry, but the different
usage scenarios are confusing even for me….
Third, no PDF/A-1 files are provided (all PDF-files are provided in proprietary file formats).--> I will ask our IT to solve this.
Fourth, the learning content is provided under proprietary terms (traditional copyright) since the PDF-files lack licensing information for the text. For example, for the PDF/A-1 containing unit 4 we expect to seethe
following at the top of the file: "Version 1.0, 27 February 2019 Authors: Björn Lundell and Jonas Gamalielsson, CC BY-SA 4.0 (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/)".--> We expect that all partners provided . If not, please discuss this with them/us all in our telco on Thursday, to find a solution.
Currently there is only licensing information for unit 4 in the Keybase folder "K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Outputs\Output 2\A1 Training course contents\Final Units ENG\Final PDF files 27.06.19". As you have seen from some of the feedback we have obtained from SME representatives (see our email sent 5 August 2019 at 15:15) clear licensing information is a prerequisite for use of the learning content.
--> We had two Peer Review rounds within O2/A1 and I thought we were
done with such issues. Anyway, since you see this is an important issue, please inform the team with an extra e-mail including concrete guidelines, on how they should correct their files. Please coordinate this task (should be finished asap) and when all correct files are in Keybase, let me know, so that our IT uploads them. Thank you.
Further, we expect to see "Authors: Björn Lundell and Jonas Gamalielsson, CC BY-SA4.0
(https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/)" at the bottom of each page in the same PDF/A-1 file for unit 4. Please see the attached PDF/A-1 file for unit 4 that has been prepared for usagescenario 3
(which is also available on Keybase).--> We had a Peer Review and I thought that the files were ok. In order to solve this, I suggest that you/each partner sends us the corrected file. Maybe it makes sense, that you explain this with us all in our telco on Thursday.
Again, we conclude that there currently is licensing information only for unit 4 in the Keybase folder "K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Outputs\Output 2\A1 Training course contents\Final Units ENG\Final PDF files 27.06.19". As you have seen from some of the feedback we have obtained from SME representatives (see our email sent 5 August 2019 at 15:15) clear licensing information is a prerequisite for use of the learning content.
--> Please inform the team with an extra e-mail including concrete guidelines, on how they should correct their files. Please coordinate this task (should be finished asap) and when all correct files are in Keybase, let me know, so that our IT uploads them. Thank you.
Fifth, for unit 4 we note that the "aggregated content" of the provided PDF-files at the website (https://www.foss4smes.eu/?page_id=66) deviates from the content provided in the attached PDF/A-1 file for unit 4 that has been prepared for usage scenario 3. See for example page one in the attachedfile
which contains 4 bullets. In the file "4.0 Introduction.pdf" in the zip file provided on the website (https://foss4smes.eu/wp-content/uploads/FOSS4SMEs_PDF_en.zip) there are erroneously six bullets on page one.--> In order to solve this, I suggest that you send us the corrected file. ATL used the files provided in Keybase. I think all partners should upload their files directly there to avoid confusion.
The files provided at the website (https://www.foss4smes.eu/?page_id=66) are not the same files that partners have uploaded on Keybase.
The file provided by us in Keybase folder ""K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Outputs\Output 2\A1 Training course contents\Final Units ENG\Final PDF files 27.06.19" has the correct bullets. The error has been introduced by ATL during the process of creating the Moodle version of the unit.
--> Please help us fix the problem. Can you create the correct Moodle
version files for us? I cannot make it on my own…
Sixth, the page size for the PDF files is letter (needs to beA4).
--> In order to solve this, I suggest that you send us the corrected file/files.
The file provided by us in Keybase folder ""K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Outputs\Output 2\A1 Training course contents\Final Units ENG\Final PDF files 27.06.19" and attached to the email sent on 2 August at 12:44 is in A4 format.
--> Please help us fix this problem as well. Can you create the correct
A4 version files for us? I cannot make it on my own…
Hence, it follows that we are unable progress with O2/A4 for any of the three usage scenarios. We can still distribute unit 4 under usage scenario 3 (i.e. the attached file). However, we earlier agreed (see our email on 28 June) that "we will not proceed with usage scenario 3 using only unit 4 at this point". Therefore, we now seek your advice for how to proceed with O2/A4. We understand that, due to vacation period in Greece, it may be very difficult for ATL to provide a link for usage scenario 2 that fulfils all prerequisites detailed in the document "O2/A4 assessment methodology and tools" (version 3.0) that can be used by SMEs.--> ATL was not able to fulfil the requirements, because we are a team and each partner has a part in the training content/files. We had a Peer Review proces and thought that this was checked at this point of time.
Since the Dublin meeting we have several times stressed the importance of providing files for usage scenario 2 and for usage scenario 3. We have several times reported that only unit 4 has been provided for usage scenario 3 and that no content has been provided for usage scenario 2.
--> I am sorry that the team has not heard you or reacted as you wished.
I suggest that we use the chance of tomorrows telco to discuss this all together and see the views of the other team members. Maybe we can find out why this happened and how we should proceed.
For this reason, our suggestion for how we now can proceed is the following. First, during August we will proceed with O2/A4 using the attached file for unit 4. This will, at least, allow us to distribute the file and obtain some feedback. Second, once PDF/A-1 files (one PDF/A-1 file for each unit) that comply with prerequisites in section 6 of "O2/A4 assessment methodology and tools" (version 3.0) are provided, we will also include those files when progressing our work with O2/A4.--> fine.
Ok, then we will proceed with O2/A4 using unit 4 for usage scenario 3.
Best Björn and Jonas
Best Björn and Jonas On 2019-07-29 12:07, Katerina Tsinari wrote: > Dear all, > > this is an update of our status today and our pending tasks. > > *_Peer Review FSFE: _*relevant templates will be saved in Keybase for > both reviewed documents (Training Plan and Platform Design Plan) asap. > > *_O3/A2 - 01.05.-30.07.19 - Report and consultation: _*Peer Review from > ATL done. Dlearn pending until 31.07.19. > > *_O2/A2 Translation of Training Course contents: _*all relevant partners > by 30.07 > > *_O2/A2 Mother tongue videos_*: Greek ok. rest of videos by 31.07. by > Peter/ TUD. > > *_3^rd Newsletter: _*sent on 26.07.2019. > > *_Usage scenarios 2 and 3 are ready_*: check our page > https://www.foss4smes.eu/?page_id=66 to find information. > > *_Project Website update_*: Please go into file “Translations Brochure > Website Newsletter” in Keybase and translate the new page marked in > yellow by 14.08.19. > > *_Feasibility study_**_by OFE_*: Review was sent from Katerina. Updated > version is expected by 14.08.19 > > *_O2/A1 Training Plan_*: Peer Review completed by*__*OFE and FSFE. TUD > to update file by 15.08. > > *_O2/A2 Import of translations_*: all partners by 16.08. (Guidelines > provided last time). > > *_Multiplier events_*: Dlearn (and others if applicable) please send us > the required supporting documents asap. > > *_O3 consultation exercise_*: to be prepared by OFE and Dlearn in > 6-9.09. and saved in K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Multiplier > Events\Multiplier Event 4 – Brussels. > > *_Timesheets 07-09.19_*: All by 20.9. > > *_O1/A2 executive summary translation: _*File “FOSS4SMEs_IO1.A2
> Executive Summary”, Translations to be provided by Dlearn, FSFE, and > SKUNI in K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Outputs\Output 1\A2\O1.A2. > Summary translationsby 01.09.19. > > *_O3/A1 executive summary translation: _*Dlearn, FSFE, ATL and SKUNI by > *01.09.19.*in folder K:\team\foss4smes\2. Implementation\Outputs\Output > 3\A1\Translated executive summaries > > *_O2/A4_*: all partners as soon as possible in their country. Multiplier > events. Results of our O2/A4 should be ready before our meeting in Brussels. > > *_4^th transnational meeting_*: partnerscan enter travel details here: > team/foss4smes/5. Meetings/4. Brussels*__* > > *_TU Dublin Invoice_*: TUD to reply ASAP. payment stillpending.
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