Kinda important question left until the last minute, is there a particular resolution and/or aspect ratio that you want this post card to be? I'll aim to have a better draft of the post card for you by tomorrow night/following morning; please let me know anything else you think I should know before tomorrow or Wednesday.
So long as there isn't excessive additional work, I can imagine that a final draft would be ready for Friday/Saturday.
Robert; what do you think of this image? I'm going to try to not pixelate it as much as the previous example (or rather, not as uniformly), so that it's more discernible.
Apologies for the delays.
. Chris
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On 02/09/13 23:42, Chris Hayes wrote:
I'll aim to have a better draft of the post card for you by tomorrow night/following morning; please let me know anything else you think I should know before tomorrow or Wednesday.
I like this one a lot:
http://static.protectamericasecurity.net//img/products/monitoring/interactiv...
If the postcard will be piexellated then the less detail the better I guess - a beach scene like this with clear colour zones for sea, sky, and sand might be most recognisable /. decipherable behind the pixels?
So long as there isn't excessive additional work, I can imagine that a final draft would be ready for Friday/Saturday.
Awesome, see how it goes.
Apologies for the delays.
No worries, we're still pretty close to the schedule.
Best,
Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke@jabber.fsfe.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org
On 03/09/13 15:50, Sam Tuke wrote:
On 02/09/13 23:42, Chris Hayes wrote:
I'll aim to have a better draft of the post card for you by tomorrow night/following morning; please let me know anything else you think I should know before tomorrow or Wednesday.
I like this one a lot:
http://static.protectamericasecurity.net//img/products/monitoring/interactiv...
+1
very cool!
Hi,
Here's the general idea. But, I don't know whether Sam's base image can be used as a source, furthermore it's too small unless I change the design to have the whole of it pixelated (which was the original idea that I articulated, but have since moved away from).
Hence the finished piece may use the photo "smaller.jpg" (I have a higher resolution of this, it's my photo) which is attached to another e-mail in this thread.
Let me know what you think; I'm aiming to have the finished piece ready for Friday night/Saturday morning.
. Chris Hayes
Hi everyone,
Any feedback about this? Do people feel that the idea will work? Any problems with it? Any issues with the other image that I intend to use as a source (see previous e-mails)?
. Chris
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Chris Hayes berzerkatives@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Here's the general idea. But, I don't know whether Sam's base image can be used as a source, furthermore it's too small unless I change the design to have the whole of it pixelated (which was the original idea that I articulated, but have since moved away from).
Hence the finished piece may use the photo "smaller.jpg" (I have a higher resolution of this, it's my photo) which is attached to another e-mail in this thread.
Let me know what you think; I'm aiming to have the finished piece ready for Friday night/Saturday morning.
. Chris Hayes
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I like the idea as ever - I think that the muddy brown vintage colours don't work with the pixalisation, because we end up with large blocks of quite muddy browns etc. Maybe crank up the contrast a bit then pixelate - see if they colour blocks look a bit more sexy
Also - I wonder if we should have
Freedom Springs Wish we were here?
as the text
Maybe it would be more open and encouraging - and also, a more modern twist again. And also - I don't know about you, but I don't feel like I am in freedom springs myself. i think the mood is very us very US V THEM too, with all the government hacking our phones thing (bbc news today)
theres my pennys worth - you rock for doing this btw!
A x
something like this maybe? I have foreground pixelation here (ignore the rubish font and text aliment) - was thinking the real hawaian colors might be quite attractive if we can give it the look of an older-style card at the same time
A x On 06/09/13 12:12, Anna F J Morris wrote:
I like the idea as ever - I think that the muddy brown vintage colours don't work with the pixalisation, because we end up with large blocks of quite muddy browns etc. Maybe crank up the contrast a bit then pixelate - see if they colour blocks look a bit more sexy
Also - I wonder if we should have
Freedom Springs Wish we were here?
as the text
Maybe it would be more open and encouraging - and also, a more modern twist again. And also - I don't know about you, but I don't feel like I am in freedom springs myself. i think the mood is very us very US V THEM too, with all the government hacking our phones thing (bbc news today)
theres my pennys worth - you rock for doing this btw!
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I prefer the colours in the original. Anyhow, sorry for the delay; had Internet connectivity issues last week. Here's what I've got now, the source is 40 megabytes; although I might be able to trim it down a bit.
Let me know what you think of this (any changes that need making, etc.), and where you'd like me to put that (the source).
. Chris
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Anna F J Morris anna.morris@fsfe.orgwrote:
something like this maybe? I have foreground pixelation here (ignore the rubish font and text aliment) - was thinking the real hawaian colors might be quite attractive if we can give it the look of an older-style card at the same time
A x On 06/09/13 12:12, Anna F J Morris wrote:
I like the idea as ever - I think that the muddy brown vintage colours don't work with the pixalisation, because we end up with large blocks of quite muddy browns etc. Maybe crank up the contrast a bit then pixelate - see if they colour blocks look a bit more sexy
Also - I wonder if we should have
Freedom Springs Wish we were here?
as the text
Maybe it would be more open and encouraging - and also, a more modern twist again. And also - I don't know about you, but I don't feel like I am in freedom springs myself. i think the mood is very us very US V THEM too, with all the government hacking our phones thing (bbc news today)
theres my pennys worth - you rock for doing this btw!
A x _______________________________________________ tdwyt mailing list tdwyt@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwyt
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Yeah, I like it - this one has lighter colors I think pretty :) Its very cool looking, I like the red lines at the bottom too. Same there are no palm trees though. Where is the image from btw? Perhaps you could pixelase the rocks on the right bottom corner too - It seems to pop out and catch attention, and draws the eye away from the beautiful beach.
Looking good!
Anna
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On 11/09/13 07:35, Chris Hayes wrote:
I prefer the colours in the original. Anyhow, sorry for the delay; had Internet connectivity issues last week. Here's what I've got now, the source is 40 megabytes; although I might be able to trim it down a bit.
Let me know what you think of this (any changes that need making, etc.), and where you'd like me to put that (the source).
. Chris
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Anna F J Morris <anna.morris@fsfe.org mailto:anna.morris@fsfe.org> wrote:
something like this maybe? I have foreground pixelation here (ignore the rubish font and text aliment) - was thinking the real hawaian colors might be quite attractive if we can give it the look of an older-style card at the same time A x On 06/09/13 12:12, Anna F J Morris wrote: > I like the idea as ever - I think that the muddy brown vintage colours > don't work with the pixalisation, because we end up with large blocks > of quite muddy browns etc. Maybe crank up the contrast a bit then > pixelate - see if they colour blocks look a bit more sexy > > Also - I wonder if we should have > > Freedom Springs > Wish we were here? > > as the text > > Maybe it would be more open and encouraging - and also, a more modern > twist again. And also - I don't know about you, but I don't feel like > I am in freedom springs myself. i think the mood is very us very US V > THEM too, with all the government hacking our phones thing (bbc news > today) > > theres my pennys worth - you rock for doing this btw! > > A > x > _______________________________________________ > tdwyt mailing list > tdwyt@lists.fsfe.org <mailto:tdwyt@lists.fsfe.org> > https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwyt _______________________________________________ tdwyt mailing list tdwyt@lists.fsfe.org <mailto:tdwyt@lists.fsfe.org> https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/tdwyt
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Anna F J Morris anna.morris@fsfe.orgwrote:
Yeah, I like it - this one has lighter colors I think pretty :) Its very cool looking, I like the red lines at the bottom too. Same there are no palm trees though.
Yes, I miss those palm trees, too.
Where is the image from btw?
A friend took it, I've been given permission to use it for any purpose.
Perhaps you could pixelase the rocks on the right bottom corner too - It seems to pop out and catch attention, and draws the eye away from the beautiful beach.
I know what you mean, but I find that with that part fully pixelated it is more difficult to understand what you're looking at.
. Chris
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On 11/09/13 08:35, Chris Hayes wrote:
Let me know what you think of this
I'm not sure that I understand the message - pixellation like this is usually used for censorship, e.g. of pedestrians faces for their privacy, of body parts in explicit images, and number plates on TV. So the landscape is a place where censorship exists, and we're inviting the viewer to come and visit? That seems like we want them expose themselves to censorship somehow.
Another interpretation might be that Freedom Springs is a great place that you should go, but its being spoiled or hidden by censorship, if so, who is doing the censoring? Seems like maybe we are doing it, as we're making the postcards, which is also a strange message. Or maybe the postcards appear to have been censored by some government regimen, in which case on the back should be some sort of official branding, else it'll look like our campaign logo represents the oppressors of the card.
Also, if there is no tech at all in the censored part of the image, then where is the connection to digital at all? It's as if the censorship is about that beach, which does work as a metaphor to an extent, but I think the beach representing tech freedom and then being censored from view is too many mental steps for the viewer to be able to make and come to a clear conclusion about our message.
So right now I'm not getting a strong TDWYT message from the designs thus far. The original Freedom Springs idea was metaphorical - a relaxing place where things worked well. I'm not sure how well the pixellation / censorship visual cue works with that, but maybe I'm just not being imaginative enough.
What do you think Chris?
and where you'd like me to put that (the source).
Are you comfortable with git? Do you have a gitorious account? Version control has all sorts of benefits, one of which is public hosting. You could put them here for now:
https://gitorious.org/tdwyt/website-webgen/source/2a91944ddf8f04d17c1125cfef...
I plan to move that folder soon, maybe into it's own artwork repository, or maybe into a folder on the new Pelican based website.
If you don't want to use git then we can find some other solution.
Best,
Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke@jabber.fsfe.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org
On 12/09/13 17:39, Sam Tuke wrote:
On 11/09/13 08:35, Chris Hayes wrote:
Let me know what you think of this
I'm not sure that I understand the message
I think the message is quite good, but because freedom springs is hidden /behind/ the pixalation. I think because it is not auto-generated blurring it doesn't look like censorship. It looks more like a digital smudge - an also, because it is smudging natures beauty, it has a kind of "man shoots himself in food with stupidity" type of vibe too.
I still like it - but I still think we could change the second like to
"Which we were here?"
for more impact
A x
Hi Sam,
As I understand it, the beach represents utopia/freedom (semantics are relaxation, beauty, physical freedom, natural), the pixelation represents a barrier/restrictions (semantics are unnatural, obfuscation, digital, censorship), and the text reinforces these two, "Freedom Springs" and "Wish you were here!" (either sarcastic or encouraging, depending on your interpretation). Similar to an environmentalist campaign using a photo of a beach covered in oil.
I had worried about this being too ambiguous or difficult to communicate clearly when the idea first came around but thought we'd agreed to go ahead with it.
I think it's a fairly compelling piece of design, its ambiguity (with clear digital connotations from the pixelation, and clearly speaking about Freedom given the text) should be enticing enough that people who are interested in our campaign want to read the back of it. That's my hope, anyway.
I've placed the images in a clone and have requested a merge (from kofutofu).
I feel it's worth mentioning that after reading through Gitorious' terms of service (http://en.gitorious.org/tos/), I'm convinced that the images in our repository that incorporate sources for which we don't have permission to use (plenty of concept work for example), are against these terms of service. Therefore I'd suggest that we move this project to a private GIT repository, as I don't feel we can legitimately complain about software and service freedom, while at the same time ignoring these restrictions ourselves.
As a side note, I'd argue that SVN would seem more appropriate for a project like this. We're mostly dealing with binary blobs, so all version control gives up is the
On that cheerful note, I wonder how many of us read the terms of service before signing up?
Lastly, concerning Anna's point, "Which we have here?" isn't clear to me. . Chris
Ignore that bit about SVN; I thought I removed it.
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Chris Hayes berzerkatives@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Sam,
As I understand it, the beach represents utopia/freedom (semantics are relaxation, beauty, physical freedom, natural), the pixelation represents a barrier/restrictions (semantics are unnatural, obfuscation, digital, censorship), and the text reinforces these two, "Freedom Springs" and "Wish you were here!" (either sarcastic or encouraging, depending on your interpretation). Similar to an environmentalist campaign using a photo of a beach covered in oil.
I had worried about this being too ambiguous or difficult to communicate clearly when the idea first came around but thought we'd agreed to go ahead with it.
I think it's a fairly compelling piece of design, its ambiguity (with clear digital connotations from the pixelation, and clearly speaking about Freedom given the text) should be enticing enough that people who are interested in our campaign want to read the back of it. That's my hope, anyway.
I've placed the images in a clone and have requested a merge (from kofutofu).
I feel it's worth mentioning that after reading through Gitorious' terms of service (http://en.gitorious.org/tos/), I'm convinced that the images in our repository that incorporate sources for which we don't have permission to use (plenty of concept work for example), are against these terms of service. Therefore I'd suggest that we move this project to a private GIT repository, as I don't feel we can legitimately complain about software and service freedom, while at the same time ignoring these restrictions ourselves.
As a side note, I'd argue that SVN would seem more appropriate for a project like this. We're mostly dealing with binary blobs, so all version control gives up is the
On that cheerful note, I wonder how many of us read the terms of service before signing up?
Lastly, concerning Anna's point, "Which we have here?" isn't clear to me. . Chris
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On 02/09/13 23:42, Chris Hayes wrote:
Kinda important question left until the last minute, is there a particular resolution and/or aspect ratio that you want this post card to be?
Yes, A6. I just did some detective work, and the postcards in bars etc. that were the original inspiration for this idea are all A6, as are most of the other postcards I have to hand from foreign lands.
This is the print company we're planning to use:
https://www.wir-machen-druck.de/Postkarten-DIN-A6-Quer--148-cm-x-105-cm--mit...
- From that website:
Postcards A4 (21.0 cm x 29.7 cm) with hot foil stamping gold 260gsm chromo postcard (front: white, back: matt and writable) 4/4 (full color) The hot foil stamping gold affects only the front / outside. Finished format: 21.0 cm x 29.7 cm *Data format: 21.6 cm x 30.3 cm*
I can get more detailed pre-printing info when necessary. Generally speaking, I'd expect that the final version needs to be 300 DPI with CMYK colours and 3mm bleed margin on each side.
Best,
Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke@jabber.fsfe.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org
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On 03/09/13 17:00, Anna F J Morris wrote:
do you do this in inkscape. Not possible in The Gimp right? Intrigued
It's theoretically possible in Inkscape using a plugin, but it didn't work for me:
http://jonata.org/inkscape/outputpro/
Personally I export the svg as hi-res PNG, then process it in Scribus. Time consuming, but works reliably.
Best,
Sam.
- -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke@jabber.fsfe.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org
I have found before myself that printers dont mind if it isnt cmyk. I spoke to mark about this, as he works at a large printing firm, and he said they accept most things without this and use their printing software to sort it out.
A
x
On 04/09/13 13:49, Sam Tuke wrote:
On 03/09/13 17:00, Anna F J Morris wrote:
do you do this in inkscape. Not possible in The Gimp right? Intrigued
It's theoretically possible in Inkscape using a plugin, but it didn't work for me:
http://jonata.org/inkscape/outputpro/
Personally I export the svg as hi-res PNG, then process it in Scribus. Time consuming, but works reliably.
Best,
Sam.
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On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Anna F J Morris anna.morris@fsfe.orgwrote:
I have found before myself that printers dont mind if it isnt cmyk. I spoke to mark about this, as he works at a large printing firm, and he said they accept most things without this and use their printing software to sort it out.
This has been my experience also.
. Chris
