Hoi Michael,
Diese Mail von Jonas habe ich nicht bekommen.
Viele Grüsse Marcus
Am 16.04.2016 um 12:18 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann anwalt@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de:
Hallo,
Am 16.04.2016 um 10:29 schrieb Werner Koch:
Als aktiver Leser gelte ich nicht als Nutzer? Jedenfalls habe ich der Sache nichts gehört - wo ist das denn wieder diskutiert worden? Sonst wird doch über jeden Schnickschack (z.B. Technik wie die Newsletter versendet werden) in aller Breite diskutiert.
Im festen Glauben an Kooperation und Transparenz und damit möglichst jeder interessierte Deutschsprachige informiert ist, leite ich Jonas erste E-Mail in dieser Angelegenheit an mich und andere weiter:
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Thoughts about our blog platform Datum: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 21:08:10 +0200 Von: Jonas Oberg jonas@fsfe.org An: guido@fsfe.org, pboddie@fsfe.org, franz.gratzer@fsfe.org, floriansnow@fsfe.org, stehmann@fsfe.org, stargrave@fsfe.org
Dear all,
you're getting this mail because you've been using the FSFE's blog platform in the latest month or two, and thus being one of the more regular contributors.
We're currently facing a situation where our blog platform has not been updated in quite some time, and getting up to date with latest Wordpress versions would be a herculean effort. In addition, we are now forced to restart the blog server sometimes six times per day due to bugs making it crash.
This is obviously not sustainable, and we've been considering in the system administration team whether to keep the blog system up and finding a way to do the massive upgrades needed, or to stop offering blogs as a service to fellows.
We're currently leaning towards the second option: when we started offering blogs, it was a nice service, and made it easy to get a blog setup. These days, it's easy to setup your own blog or to have a blog hosted elsewhere, and the use of our blog platform has also decreased rapidly in the last years.
I'm attaching a draft of a mail below, which we've been considering to send out to announce such a shutdown, and as the most frequent users of our blog platform, I would like to hear your thoughts on the matter, before taking any action.
Sincerely,
-- Jonas Öberg, Executive Director Free Software Foundation Europe | jonas@fsfe.org Your donation enables our work (fsfe.org/donate)
Beigefügt war folgende E-Mail:
Removing our blogs service.eml Betreff: Removing our blogs service Von: Jonas Oberg jonas@fsfe.org Datum: 31.03.2016 20:16 An: fellows@silk
Dear Fellow,
when the FSFE began offering our blog platform, it was a genuinely useful thing to do. The number of providers who offered blogging software was more limited. Since then, the situation has changed, and it's much easier for anyone to get a blog today. It takes little effort and most of the alternatives would be more modern than what the FSFE offer today.
We've decided that it's time for our blog platform to retire and by the 1st of July 2016, we'll remove the blog platform completely. Partly for the reason outlined above, and partly because we've encountered technical problems with our current setup which would take significant resources to adress. We've already stopped registration of new blogs. For anyone currently using our blog platform, you have a few options of how to proceed at this point.
Option #1: You can migrate your blog elsewhere, using first the Tools/Export option in our Wordpress to export a database dump. You should then contact system-hackers@fsfeurope.org to get a copy of your uploaded files folder. Lastly, when you have a new blog setup, our system-hackers can also setup a redirect from the old address to the new address.
Option #2: If you'd like us to archive your blog as a set of static web pages, we can also do this for you. We'll be using a simple "wget" crawler to make the copy. This will not be perfect, but it will be something. Again, you should contact system-hackers@fsfeurope.org for this.
Option #3: Do nothing. In this case, the blog will be decomissioned.
As we take this decision, we've also begun thinking about what we really liked about the blog platform. We liked that there was, for many blogs, a common theme identifying them as blogs from our community. We liked they were easily syndicated on our planet[1]. We liked how easy it was for a new volunteer in a local group to start writing about what happened in the group.
Moving forward, we'll think about how we can take the parts we liked, and see if we can not realise the same with a more modern platform. We will not install anything new for the foreseeable future though.
Please contact system-hackers@fsfeurope.org if you have any questions or would like assistance.
Sincerely,
-- Jonas Öberg, Executive Director Free Software Foundation Europe | jonas@fsfe.org Your donation enables our work (fsfe.org/donate)
Jonas Antwort auf unsere Eingaben klang für mich hoffnungsvoll:
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: Thoughts about our blog platform Datum: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 05:21:30 +0200 Von: Jonas Oberg jonas@fsfe.org An: Dr. Michael Stehmann anwalt@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de Kopie (CC): guido@fsfe.org, pboddie@fsfe.org, franz.gratzer@fsfe.org, floriansnow@fsfe.org, stehmann@fsfe.org, stargrave@fsfe.org
Hi Michael, Florian,
I use my blog very often to write reports of our meetings and other activities, So it is an important tool for me and the memory of our group.
Thank you both! It seems both of you find consensus on that the blog platform is for group communication, rather than personal communication. Allow me to draw your attention to this passage in the mail I forwarded:
As we take this decision, we've also begun thinking about what we really liked about the blog platform. We liked that there was, for many blogs, a common theme identifying them as blogs from our community. We liked they were easily syndicated on our planet[1]. We liked how easy it was for a new volunteer in a local group to start writing about what happened in the group.
Which seems to be connected to what you're talking about. What I get from this discussion is we should actually have something that meet these needs *before* we do anything with the current platform.
What I've been thinking in this regard is we could have a single instance Wordpress (or similar) which every Fellow has an account in. This Wordpress would be the platform for communication and blogging about what is happening within the FSFE and would have a common and single theme.
Each author could have an "Author's section" (ie., "show all posts by stehmann") where their blog posts appear. But group coordinators and others could also promote their blog posts to the front page, which would provide the planet-like overview of the main activities. If some individual Fellow posts a blog post about Fellowship activities, this could also be promoted to the front page.
This all needs some work, and it may need to be language aware (I would *love* if all outside communication from the FSFE was available in English, but posts may need to be in a local language too).
Florian, since you offered to help, I'll start a separate thread with our systems administrator and outline the above there too, and you can weigh in on what you think would be doable. Thanks so much!
Sincerely,
-- Jonas Öberg, Executive Director Free Software Foundation Europe | jonas@fsfe.org Your donation enables our work (fsfe.org/donate)
Nach entsprechenden Eingaben ist dies wohl der letzte Stand von Jonas Überlegungen:
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: Thoughts about our blog platform Datum: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:39:00 +0200 Von: Jonas Oberg jonas@fsfe.org An: Florian Snow floriansnow@fsfe.org Kopie (CC): Dr. Michael Stehmann anwalt@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de, guido@fsfe.org, pboddie@fsfe.org, franz.gratzer@fsfe.org, stehmann@fsfe.org, stargrave@fsfe.org
Hi Florian,
I think these are two separate issues and they are both important.
I think you're right about them being separate, but I disagree about the communication structure :-) My main concern is this:
The Wordpress instance is for people who are unable or unwilling to set up their own blogging platform.
This is what I don't quite agree with: I think the Wordpress instance (blogs.fsfe.org) has a specific communication purpose, I don't think the FSFE should have the role to setup technical infrastructures for people who are unable or unwilling to do so themselves: then we become a service provider.
I see it as blogs.fsfe.org is where we all write about what's happening in the FSFE. It's where someone from a Fellowship group would write to report from a local meeting, it's where I would write to introduce a new intern, or similarly.
The planet.fsfe.org I see as the aggregation of both what's happening internally, but also what's happening in our community at large, which is not necessarily related to the FSFE. If someone writes a blog post (anywhere) about their latest explorations with Arch, this should probably be syndicated on planet.fsfe.org, but it wouldn't necessarily be on the front page of blogs.fsfe.org.
There is an overlap: if someone really does not want to have their own blog, but would want to write about their explorations with free software on blogs.fsfe.org, they could do so, and it would be syndicated on planet.fsfe.org, but they would only promote the clearly FSFE related posts to the front page.
I hope that makes sense as an explanation of how I'm thinking :)
-- Jonas Öberg, Executive Director Free Software Foundation Europe | jonas@fsfe.org Your donation enables our work (fsfe.org/donate)
Es gab noch weitere E-Mails in dem Teilnehmerkreis der ersten E-Mail; aber ich denke, der Stand der Überlegungen von Jonas wird aus den vorstehenden ersichtlich.
Lasst uns _diese_ Sache zu einem guten Ende bringen!
Wir können und sollten danach auch über das Prozedere zusammen mit Jonas und allen Teilnehmern reflektieren, um daraus für die Zukunft Lehren zu ziehen.
Gruß Michael
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