Dear Sivan,

thank you for following up our efforts to create a common brochure for everyone. I am sorry I couldnt reply to you earlier, but I was away on a business trip. Now that I saw your final version, I am sending you our final comments:

1. We are happy with the two final fotos you chose. We understand your arguments completely. Our only concern is that during printing the foto of the first page will not be vivid enough. But we trust your experience and hope that we are proved wrong :)

2. We agree with the suggested change of SKUNI and with both suggested points of Dlearn. Please update them accordingly.

3. Within the part "the consortium" on page 2, we would like you to put first the name of Atlantis, as we coordinate the project.

4. We would like you to mention somewhere that Atlantis is the coordinator by actually writing the word "coordinator".

5. We suggest to put our full contact details somewhere:
"Coordinatior: Atlantis Engineering S.A.
21 Ant. Tritsi street
Thessaloniki
GR-57001
Email: tsinari@abe.gr
+30 2310-233 266"

6. Concerning the text on the second page we have already suggested the following text. Please take it into consideration or try to make your version more "selling/catchy" to our target audience. This is our suggested example:
"Are you working for a European SME? Are you using computer and IT solutions at your everyday activities? Then this project is exactly for you!

The European Commission is funding the project "Free and Open Source Software for SMEs", which is going to equip European SMEs with the skills and competences to properly use Free and Open Source Software (FOSS), so to improve their digital performances and competitiveness.

The project will develop a free online educational training course for managers and staff of existing SMEs or start-ups, facilitating recognition of competences and mobility, by implementing the ECVET system.

GET INVOLVED!"

7. Concerning the text in the front page, we have already suggested the following text. Please take it into consideration and remember that FOSS is not self explanatory. We need "FOSS" spelled out in the front page, to make it easily understandable instantly:
"Using Free and Open Source Software in everyday Business". 

Points 5, 6 and 7 were already suggested from our side inside our e-mail of the 5th of June 2018 at 11:32 (sent to Pablo, Sachiko and our mailing list).
Dear Sivan, I guess you were still not part of the mailing list and as a result didnt receive these points. We would really appreciate it, if you manage to take them into consideration as well. I am really sorry I couldnt inform you earlier on these and I hope its still not too late.

We are looking forward to your new final version, so that we can proceed with the translated versions (as promised in the proposal). I will then create a template, where the partners will be able to enter their translated texts for the front and the back page. This is going to be in the project's Google Drive folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B1Sij9jGOzzSdG1JZWIwYWlQMkk

I think you agree, if I put the "project- brochure" as our first discussion point in the agenda of our next telco in the 11th of July, so that we can manage to discuss it successfully this time. Try to send us your pdf 1 day before the telco (as sharescreen is not really working in framatalk), so that everyone can have a look and we can ideally reach an agreement during the telco.

Thank you in advance for this great effort. Its going to be a really professional and good-looking result.

Greetings from rainy and cold Thessaloniki,
Katerina


On 25 June 2018 at 16:35, Sivan Pätsch <sivan@openforumeurope.org> wrote:
Thank you Francesco, for your input. I think we can adapt the flyer according to your suggestions.

With regard to the date, we aimed at having a decision over a week ago, so at this stage I want to motivate why we prefer to go for flyer F.

Personally, I think the bright and inclusive feeling of flyer F picture is something positive, they look friendly and relaxed, but still fit a professional setting. Specifically to the point that Katerina mentioned - there are two people on it, one man and one woman, which is positive in regard to having diversity represented for a techy topic. There's a computer visible on the picture and the woman is working on it, another positive. I am also suggesting to use the picture from the back of flyer E on the back of final flyer, as it really drives home the collaborative point of view.

Would this be an acceptable solution for everyone? It would be nice if we all used the same version.

I suggest we agree on something latest by Wednesday COB.

Kind regards,
Sivan


On 22 June 2018 at 19:28, <francesco.agresta@dlearn.eu> wrote:

Hello Sivan,

my slight preference goes to proposal F, but  I would be ok with another version if the majority opts for a different one.

I would only like to remark the two following points:

-          This  may sound like a detail, but it might be not fully correct to say that we are developing a ECVET course, since we would not be allowed to do so (we are not accredited VET institutions). Our output will be a competence profile structured according to the ECVET guidelines, and then the consequent training course. Therefore, I would suggest to change the phrase “ECVET course” with a simple “training course”.

-          Maybe we should add this usual disclaimer together with the Erasmus + flag, as in every project publication:

This project has been funded with support from the European Commission. This publication reflects the views only of the author, and the Commission cannot be held responsible for any use which may be made of the information contained therein.

 

Thank you for your work on this!

 

Best,

 

Descrizione: Descrizione: dlearn

 

Francesco Agresta

 

European Project Manager

European Digital Learning Network

Via Domenico Scarlatti, 30

20124 Milano

Mob.  +39 3496027623

Email francesco.agresta@dlearn.eu

www.dlearn.eu

 

 

 

 

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Inviato: lunedì 18 giugno 2018 11:22
A: Bjorn Lundell
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Oggetto: Re: [FOSS4SMEs-team] Brochure proposals

 

Hi Björn,

 

Thanks for your suggestion, you are right, I tried to emphasise the business benefit for SMEs with "profit". No issue changing it to "benefit" from my side, as long as no one else likes something else.

 

Kind regards,

Sivan

 

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On Jun 18 2018, at 11:10 am, Bjorn Lundell <bjorn.lundell@his.se> wrote:

 

Hi Sivan and all,

 

We find that it looks very good.

 

However, we have one minor comment concerning the text. Instead using

"profit" in the first sentence:

 

"FOSS4SMEs will develop an ECVET training course on how SMEs can profit

from using Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). ..."

 

...we instead suggest:

 

"FOSS4SMEs will develop an ECVET training course on how SMEs can benefit

from using Free and Open Source Software (FOSS). ..."

 

By using "profit", there is a risk that people think of 'cost-saving'

which (more than 10 years ago) used to be a driver for FOSS. Today, it

is much more diverse and we would prefer to amplifying "profit" (i.e.

short term financial benefits) in a short overview.

 

Kind regards,

--Björn

 

On 2018-06-18 10:45, Sivan Pätsch wrote:

Hi Katerina,

 

I'm glad to hear you and Ifigeneias comments. We now finalised proposal F (attached) for our event, as I said on the call, we needed remarks by Friday COB. We also shortened the text a bit to make it fit onto the flyer.

As you prefer proposal E, I think we can provide a final version of that (with your contact details), so that you can use that proposal still. If you'd like to change the picture, we are also happy to produce a version with a new picture if you send us one that you like.

Looking forward to hear from you.

Kind regards,

Sivan

 

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On Jun 18 2018, at 10:27 am, Katerina Tsinari<tsinari@abe.gr> wrote:

 

Dear Sivan,

 

thank you for your new proposals for our Project brochure. The comments of Ifigeneia and me are:

- we would prefer not to have the back sides of people (proposal C and D), but their happy faces instead.

- we would avoid so bright colours like in proposal F.

- We like proposal E, because the people seem like IT experts. We would prefer to have also an IT girl in the picture, respecting the gender issue, if its possible. But its no big deal, we can leave it also like that.

 

We are looking forward to your final edition. Thank you in advance.

 

Best,

Katerina

 

On 15 June 2018 at 13:14, Sivan Pätsch<sivan@openforumeurope.org (mailto:sivan@openforumeurope.org)> wrote:

Hi all,

 

The proposals for review now.

Kind regards,

Sivan

 

Sivan Pätsch

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