Doesn't abiword also support ODF?
Sam
-----Original Message----- From: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com Sent: 22 May 2008 01:16 To: discussion@fsfeurope.org Subject: Re: Even Microsoft officially gives up on ISO/DIS-29500
2008/5/21 David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com:
http://www.sdtimes.com/content/article.aspx?ArticleID=32228 MS Office 2007 will not support DIS-29500 until 2009, if then. Make VERY SURE everyone knows that Microsoft Office officially doesn't support DIS-29500!
And 2007 will "support" ODF 1.1:
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20080521092930...
Though I wonder what Microsoft values of "support" will entail.
(I'm glad there's two independent implementations of ODF - OOo and KOffice - and not just one.)
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2008/5/22 Sam Liddicott sam@liddicott.com:
Doesn't abiword also support ODF?
It has import/export, but they're not huge fans and it won't ever be the default format:
http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/08/abiword-team-interview/
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Microsoft Supporting ODF? -- Close, But No Cigar Source: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080522012330406 Thursday, May 22 2008 @ 04:26 AM EDT
I wish I could wholeheartedly applaud the Microsoft announcement about native support for ODF, but I can't. Of course, it's better to have native support for ODF, no matter what motives may have influenced Microsoft's announcement, and I'm glad about that for the sake of end users. But it hasn't happened yet. Was the word 'vaporware' not coined for Microsoft? In any case, I'm in the "I will believe it when I see it" category when it comes to Microsoft. They've earned my caution.
And I see danger signs for FOSS I'd like to share with you, so you can consider them. Once again, the problem is software patents. Internet News indicates that commercial Linux/FOSS vendors, and the GPL license that Linux comes with, will be excluded:
Microsoft, however, frames its latest moves as part of fulfilling a company-wide interoperability initiative that it announced in February.
Uh oh. Remember this from February, when Microsoft announced the availability of APIs?
Going forward, Smith said that Microsoft will enter into a covenant not to sue open source developers who use the open APIs for noncommercial applications. Commercial developers will still need to obtain patent licenses to use the code.
GPL developers can't obtain patent licenses. That would violate the terms of the GPL. Period.
Like Microsoft doesn't know that.
But, you say, Linux is GPL'd and that's Microsoft's primary competition. Can it be that commercial vendors and the GPL will be exiled again from the "even" playing field everyone else gets to be on? Why yes. It appears so. Commercial Linux vendors need not apply. Or they can sell out.
http://www.endsoftwarepatents.org ------ ¿Eres un usuario cautivo ó libre? ¿controlas tu ordenador o tu ordenador te controla a tí?
Libérate: Usa Gnu/Linux y OpenOffice.org:
http://www.obtengalinux.org/windows/
Are you a free user or a captive one? Do you control your computer or does your computer control you?
Set yourself free: Use Gnu/Linux and OpenOffice.org:
http://www.getgnulinux.org/windows/
--- El jue, 22/5/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com escribió:
De: David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com Asunto: Re: Even Microsoft officially gives up on ISO/DIS-29500 Para: discussion@fsfeurope.org Fecha: jueves, 22 mayo, 2008 8:50 2008/5/22 Sam Liddicott sam@liddicott.com:
Doesn't abiword also support ODF?
It has import/export, but they're not huge fans and it won't ever be the default format:
http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/05/08/abiword-team-interview/
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2008/5/22 David B davidb_info@yahoo.es:
I wish I could wholeheartedly applaud the Microsoft announcement about native support for ODF, but I can't. Of course, it's better to have native support for ODF, no matter what motives may have influenced Microsoft's announcement, and I'm glad about that for the sake of end users. But it hasn't happened yet. Was the word 'vaporware' not coined for Microsoft? In any case, I'm in the "I will believe it when I see it" category when it comes to Microsoft. They've earned my caution.
I am fully confident that Microsoft will implement ODF every bit as well as they implemented HTML.
This is why accepted test suites and acid tests are a high priority item. (I can't find the link, but Rob Weir has written a recent mailing list message summing up what is needed.)
OOo officially regards a failure to conform to ODF as a reportable bug. They need to shout this out as loud as possible.
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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:37:27AM +0100, David Gerard wrote:
OOo officially regards a failure to conform to ODF as a reportable bug. They need to shout this out as loud as possible.
I must be misunderstanding something.
Usually anything is a reportable bug. Users report all sort of things, and then there's some evaluation and priorisation process to decide which bugs are fixed.
I think I can report a bug to OpenOffice.org saying it doesn't toast my toasts on the right side, so that's a reportable bug as much as ODF non-compliance. Hopefully what happens to each of those bugs is what makes the difference, but saying something is a reportable bug is quite a low offer. Ok, so defective toast toasting is not "officially regarded" as reportable, and ODF non-compliance is. Good. But then it still gives no warranty of conformance.
I don't mean to criticise OOo. I just think it's better to say they have ODF conformance as a high priority goal (hopefully true) than to say non-conformance is officially a reportable bug.