Dear all,
Exchanging opinions and discussing them in public is very important for our community. Sometimes, discussions can become emotional and sometimes debaters use a too offensive language although, possibly unintentionally. In the last days we have seen some heated debates coming up on this list and individual messages of those discussions have already been brought to the attention of your list-admins. It also came to our attention that some of the more offensive messages were sent from mail accounts that joined this list just recently.
The list administration would like to help bring back a good tone and discussion culture by moderating the discussion if necessary and for now we set new subscriptions to the list on moderation.
But much more important for our discussion culture will be what you bring into it. A successful method that works for many people is, that if you are upset, then consider to keep your mail as a draft overnight and re-read it before sending it the next day. Also it might help to keep your audience in mind: This list has several hundred subscribers and is archived publicly on the Internet and indexed by search engines.
Generally the best advice is to always keep in mind that:
The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) and its community aim to offer a friendly and peaceful environment for every participant at the FSFE's events, online and offline.
All participants should at all times feel at ease to do so without fearing any form of attack, reprisal or harassment. We ask everybody to be respectful and considerate towards each other, especially when attempting to provide constructive criticism.
Thank you very much and looking forward to many fruitful and friendly discussions, Erik for the list-admins
On 05/09/18 16:49, Erik Albers wrote:
The list administration would like to help bring back a good tone and discussion culture by moderating the discussion if necessary and for now we set new subscriptions to the list on moderation.
The most offensive accusations made on the list today were not from new subscribers, they appear to be made by a GA member from Germany, in fact former country coordinator for Germany. Out of your respect for your request for being friendly, I'll avoid repeating his name again.
One of those posts is so offensive and inaccurate that I would kindly request that if you are willing to censor new subscribers, you also censor that GA member by removing his post from the public archive.
I would also request that you escalate that particular post to the CARE team.
The root cause of all this appears to be the executive's decision to attack the fellowship representative with an ultimately unsuccessful motion to prematurely terminate his membership of FSFE e.V. I remain of the opinion that the resignation of the president may be more effective in helping the community move on from that than tweaking moderation settings.
Regards,
Daniel
FSFE Fellowship Representative
And for once l quote you totally.
It is ridiculous and shameful behaviour of this individual. Outrageous.
They all should resign unanimously because l see no one stopping this madness from inside.
On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, 19:25 Daniel Pocock, daniel@pocock.pro wrote:
On 05/09/18 16:49, Erik Albers wrote:
The list administration would like to help bring back a good tone and discussion culture by moderating the discussion if necessary and for now
we
set new subscriptions to the list on moderation.
The most offensive accusations made on the list today were not from new subscribers, they appear to be made by a GA member from Germany, in fact former country coordinator for Germany. Out of your respect for your request for being friendly, I'll avoid repeating his name again.
One of those posts is so offensive and inaccurate that I would kindly request that if you are willing to censor new subscribers, you also censor that GA member by removing his post from the public archive.
I would also request that you escalate that particular post to the CARE team.
The root cause of all this appears to be the executive's decision to attack the fellowship representative with an ultimately unsuccessful motion to prematurely terminate his membership of FSFE e.V. I remain of the opinion that the resignation of the president may be more effective in helping the community move on from that than tweaking moderation settings.
Regards,
Daniel
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Dear Daniel,
On 05.09.2018 20:25, Daniel Pocock wrote:
One of those posts is so offensive and inaccurate that I would kindly request that if you are willing to censor new subscribers,
Moderation is unlike censorship. Every message that is written in an appropriate tone will be delivered to the list, no matter the opinion.
you also censor that GA member by removing his post from the public archive.
removing posts from the archive is not possible (for me).
I would also request that you escalate that particular post to the CARE team.
When anyone feels attacked on a FSFE list in a way that is against our Code of Conduct, please contact the CARE team about it directly yourself. You do not need me or anyone else for this process in between. You can find contact information of the team and its individuals here:
https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct#CARE
Best regards, Erik