Alistair Davidson lordylordy@mad.scientist.com writes:
I think we need to educate the media the next time that a macro virus crashes all the mail servers. As we all know, the love-bug and Melissa didn't affect Linux et al.
Indeed. I pointed this out to many media and business organisations at the time, but they didn't care: the line was similar to "who cares? *We've* been hurt by this!" each time.
Actually, I'm getting my hands on a Java book and coding, but it's the same principle. Goo luck.
Care for a debate about the non-Free nature of the Java language standard? Is that something FSFE should comment on? ;-)
Anyway, hope you have good luck with Japhar or Kaffee or whatever (because you use Free software, yes?).
On Thu, 04 Jan 2001, MJ Ray wrote:
Alistair Davidson lordylordy@mad.scientist.com writes:
I think we need to educate the media the next time that a macro virus crashes all the mail servers. As we all know, the love-bug and Melissa didn't affect Linux et al.
Indeed. I pointed this out to many media and business organisations at the time, but they didn't care: the line was similar to "who cares? *We've* been hurt by this!" each time.
Actually, I'm getting my hands on a Java book and coding, but it's the same principle. Goo luck.
Care for a debate about the non-Free nature of the Java language standard? Is that something FSFE should comment on? ;-)
Actually the java language is more or less just pointerless C++. RMS says that the libraries for 1.2 are implemented by CLASSPATH, and this is relatively free, but 1.3 should be avoided. Jeff Davies.
Apart from above caveat about libraries, GCC comes with excellent GCJ java compiler which apparently can compile even bytecode class files into native code!!
Anyway, hope you have good luck with Japhar or Kaffee or whatever (because you use Free software, yes?).
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MJ Ray wrote:
Alistair Davidson lordylordy@mad.scientist.com writes:
I think we need to educate the media the next time that a macro virus crashes all the mail servers. As we all know, the love-bug and Melissa didn't affect Linux et al.
Indeed. I pointed this out to many media and business organisations at the time, but they didn't care: the line was similar to "who cares? *We've* been hurt by this!" each time.
I guess our job is to change that attitude.
Actually, I'm getting my hands on a Java book and coding, but it's the same principle. Goo luck.
Care for a debate about the non-Free nature of the Java language standard? Is that something FSFE should comment on? ;-)
I don't care for a debate, because I agree. Java has to be one of the biggest issues around today, just after software patents.
Anyway, hope you have good luck with Japhar or Kaffee or whatever (because you use Free software, yes?).
I'm not using an IDE right now. Just MS-DOS edit.
Yeah, yeah, I know. This a Windoze box, so shoot me ;) It's also the family box, so there's not much I can do. I'll be building a largely Free comp soon.
-- Alistair Davidson
On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 09:04:45PM +0000, Alistair Davidson wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
Alistair Davidson lordylordy@mad.scientist.com writes:
I think we need to educate the media the next time that a macro virus crashes all the mail servers. As we all know, the love-bug and Melissa didn't affect Linux et al.
Indeed. I pointed this out to many media and business organisations at the time, but they didn't care: the line was similar to "who cares? *We've* been hurt by this!" each time.
I guess our job is to change that attitude.
:) Indeed. Though Linux is vulnerable to virus including macro viruses. There are not many around and it is generally not a problem, but GNU/Linux systems are not in principle immune against this form of illness.
Actually, I'm getting my hands on a Java book and coding, but it's the same principle. Goo luck.
Care for a debate about the non-Free nature of the Java language standard? Is that something FSFE should comment on? ;-)
I don't care for a debate, because I agree. Java has to be one of the biggest issues around today, just after software patents.
Why? Java the language can be implemented by somebody else. He might not be allowed to call it java, but this does not matter IMO.
There are nicer languages around. I recommend python to you, if you are coding on the family box...
Anyway, hope you have good luck with Japhar or Kaffee or whatever (because you use Free software, yes?).
I'm not using an IDE right now. Just MS-DOS edit.
Get vim or joe, they have syntax highlighting and work on larger files. The PythonWin or Boa editors are also usable (actually the same). :)
Hey, all free software.
Yeah, yeah, I know. This a Windoze box, so shoot me ;) It's also the family box, so there's not much I can do. I'll be building a largely Free comp soon.
Bernhard
Alistair Davidson wrote:
MJ Ray wrote:
Alistair Davidson lordylordy@mad.scientist.com writes:
I think we need to educate the media the next time that a macro virus crashes all the mail servers. As we all know, the love-bug and Melissa didn't affect Linux et al.
Indeed. I pointed this out to many media and business organisations at the time, but they didn't care: the line was similar to "who cares? *We've* been hurt by this!" each time.
I guess our job is to change that attitude.
The forse of free software is not it's virus immunity, and a virus may be written against free software too.
The force is it's freedom, we must concetrate to explain people how big software giant control them, expecially now that network let them get your data through their bloated, closed software
Actually, I'm getting my hands on a Java book and coding, but it's the same principle. Goo luck.
Care for a debate about the non-Free nature of the Java language standard? Is that something FSFE should comment on? ;-)
I don't care for a debate, because I agree. Java has to be one of the biggest issues around today, just after software patents.
Java may be freed!
Anyway, hope you have good luck with Japhar or Kaffee or whatever (because you use Free software, yes?).
I'm not using an IDE right now. Just MS-DOS edit.
oh my g....
Yeah, yeah, I know. This a Windoze box, so shoot me ;) It's also the family box, so there's not much I can do. I'll be building a largely Free comp soon.
Hey man, my family and my girlfriend uses Linux without problems! And so do many other friends. Setting up Linux may be difficult (not so much anymore) but using it is simple nowadays. My relatives does not know any command and they has never used the shell, and they've still no problem.
If you do not educate first the people that are most near to you (and possibly trust you), how can you educate any other?
The key is in fact education, we need to educate people to regain their freedom and not sell it away for 2 eurocents.
My 2 eurocents :)
Simo.
Simo Sorce wrote:
The forse of free software is not it's virus immunity, and a virus may be written against free software too.
I agree. If we go around telling ppl free software is immune for viruses (at least that's how they'll view it), it's just gonna blow up in our face at another moment.
Anyway, hope you have good luck with Japhar or Kaffee or whatever (because you use Free software, yes?).
I'm not using an IDE right now. Just MS-DOS edit.
oh my g....
what's so wrong with edit? I use only a slightly more advanced editor (with a 'compile'-button :). Works fine.
Yeah, yeah, I know. This a Windoze box, so shoot me ;) It's also the family box, so there's not much I can do. I'll be building a largely Free comp soon.
*Blam* *Blam* (one for myself ) -------- wdesmet@yucom.be
----- Original Message ----- From: "Klaus Schilling" pessy@chez.com To: "WDS" wdesmet@yucom.be Cc: discussion@fsfeurope.org Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 9:26 PM Subject: Re: On philosophy, hierarchy of orgs, definitions, and the logo
WDS writes:
Simo Sorce wrote:
I'm not using an IDE right now. Just MS-DOS edit.
oh my g....
what's so wrong with edit?
It's proprietary software, thus it is completely wrong.
Klaus Schilling
Sorry, I thought he was commenting on the program itself. Windows is propietary too ;)
Wdesmet@yucom.be