Hej!
authorship != ownership, authors != owners
You consider it this way. Many people here consider it this way. I do not. My justification is that only authorship in software is insufficient because of the dual nature of software (-> the ACM artilce I quoted).
So, for me "authorship != ownership" is not true when it comes to software. Authorship is not made for software, but applied to software it becomes ownership. This is sufficient. Because than we do not nee patents and stuf like this. Copyrights protects software and everyone can choose which license her software shall have.
This guarantees the maximum of freedom for all, doesn't it?
Stallman talks about owners (-> have a look at my very first email). And he claims that software should not have owners. If you see my line of argument, you should also see why I claim that Stallman went to far.
Do you see my point?
best regards, Axel
simo.sorce@xsec.it schrieb am 22.04.04 18:46:49:
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 18:27, Axel Schulz wrote:
The GPL is a very smart solution. It restricts also the "taker" of the license but it does something very good to society. But this software has an author. That is way I hold that Stallman is a little mistaken.
What do you think?
Never heard that stallman said software should not have authors (from which derive authorship).
Can you show me where Stallman states that software should have no authors please? Can you give me any pointer?
authorship != ownership, authors != owners
Simo.
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On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 19:08, Axel Schulz wrote:
Hej!
authorship != ownership, authors != owners
You consider it this way. Many people here consider it this way. I do not. My justification is that only authorship in software is insufficient because of the dual nature of software (-> the ACM artilce I quoted).
Ok, anybody is free to invent it's own language and convention, but not to use that invention to explain other people words.
Forget a moment about software.
If I take a piece a wood and make out something of it. I'm the author of that piece of art *and* the owner of the piece of wood. If I sell the piece of art I created I'm not anymore the owner, but still the author. Right?
Ok so authorship and ownership are 2 very different things that applies to many things whether or not you like it.
A software is, without doubts a creation, and so have an author, that by law happen also to be the owner of a monopoly on copying the software.
But nonetheless still authorship and ownership are 2 different things, and if I sell the rights of distribution/copying/etc. of my software to someone else, I'm not the owner anymore, but I'm still the original author of the software.
So, for me "authorship != ownership" is not true when it comes to software. Authorship is not made for software, but applied to software it becomes ownership.
Changing the meaning of the words doesn't change reality sorry. You may think that software (== information) should be owned, you have the faculty to support your idea, but please try to speak on a common ground and present your ideas for what they are. Don't try to hide your ideas with misleading words just to be more acceptable.
This is sufficient. Because than we do not nee patents and stuf like this.
Accepting ownership of information is much worse than patents ...
Copyrights protects software and everyone can choose which license her software shall have.
This guarantees the maximum of freedom for all, doesn't it?
Copyright? Sure, and copyright is about authorship and limited monopoly rights on copying/distribution/modification and such. Copyright is not about ownership of information, copyright cover the specific expression not the information or the ideas behind the expression.
Stallman talks about owners (-> have a look at my very first email). And he claims that software should not have owners. If you see my line of argument, you should also see why I claim that Stallman went to far.
AFAIK Stallman have clear in mind the difference between authorship and ownership, so no, you can't say Stallman went to far because he never said what you mean. Putting your own ideas in others mouth is not a nice thing. Please just expose your ideas if you wish without distorting other ones.
Do you see my point?
Yes, and I do not agree with your methods nor with your idea of software ownership.
Simo.