From: MJ Ray markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk
Just two simple statements so you can even understand that cdrecord isn't the most important program on earth.
You are kidding again. How about giving statements that could help in a discussion?
So cdrecord is the most important program on earth to Jörg...
You again reverse reality :-(
I would be happy if there was lest interest in cdrecord.
If you like HURD not to be dead, then work on it and make it of interest for potential users. This is really simple isn't it?
But applying your earlier logic, no-one should work on Hurd until there is a demand for it... circular argument, I think.
Please _read_ my statements before you comment them. I sayd work on HURD to create interest for it or stop it.
Anyway, as I think we're all aware, Jörg's views on GNU tools have consumed many characters without making any development of his views because everyone who programs anything on a GNU system is clearly insane because there are better non-free tools that we "should" be using, in his opinion.
Again you are reversing things.....
Domn't talk about free software, work on it!
But don't tell me that I should enhance other peoples programs and stop to work on my prorgrams as you do.
Please tell me why you tell people to fix bugs from other peoples software? This is a nice way to slow down development because time is wasted with understanding other peopls code and in addition GNU coding standards result in badly readable sources.
Again: I am working on _my_ ideas and on _my_ programs. If I have problems with other programs, I send bug reports. If the bugs are not fixed than it may be that I stop believing that those programs evolve to decent tools.
I use the best tools for a purpose that are freely available. If I have a problem with cdrecord or star on Linux, I first try to reproduce it on Solaris so I can avoid e.g. GDB because it does not give me the needed features.
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:54:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
From: MJ Ray markj@cloaked.freeserve.co.uk
Anyway, as I think we're all aware, J�rg's views on GNU tools have consumed many characters without making any development of his views because everyone who programs anything on a GNU system is clearly insane because there are better non-free tools that we "should" be using, in his opinion.
Again you are reversing things.....
No, he's totally right.
Domn't talk about free software, work on it!
I do both. This is the *Free Software* Foundation Europe mailinglist. The topic is free sofware here. If you don't want to talk about free software, go somewhere else.
But don't tell me that I should enhance other peoples programs and stop to work on my prorgrams as you do.
You are complaining about other peoples programs. If you want to see something done, you should do it yourself or stop complaining that it isn't done.
Please tell me why you tell people to fix bugs from other peoples software? This is a nice way to slow down development because time is wasted with understanding other peopls code and
Why do you tell that maintainers should develop features/fix bugs in their software which they don't care about? It only slowdowns the things they are interested in.
in addition GNU coding standards result in badly readable sources.
ROFL. Do you already know why people ask you to port a program instead of giving you a patch? Hint: Your source isn't readable for other people besides you. Yes, you can read, because you're author, but for other people it's hard.
GNU people can read each other's code, because they use the same coding style. They can fix the programs, because they understand it.
Again: I am working on _my_ ideas and on _my_ programs. If I have problems with other programs, I send bug reports. If the bugs are not fixed than it may be that I stop believing that those programs evolve to decent tools.
Other people are working on their ideas and their programs. They do what is for them the highest priority. Your bugreport might not be that, but bugreports with patches attached makes it easier for the maintainers to fix the bug.
I use the best tools for a purpose that are freely available.
Free beer available. Not freedom.
If I have a problem with cdrecord or star on Linux, I first try to reproduce it on Solaris so I can avoid e.g. GDB because it does not give me the needed features.
What are you doing exactly on this mailinglist if you want to talk about and promote non-free software? This is the place for that.
Jeroen Dekkers