From jeroen@dekkers.cx Fri Mar 8 19:30:24 2002
Having to install non-free software to get the latest piece of your software is limiting you if you want to use that software. But at that time my default OS will probably be GNU/Hurd.
It seems that here are even people who refuse to read the POSIX standard because it may become non-free in the future.
When I am doing my work, I choose the best combination of programs - while I prefer free software if available _and_ if the free software is standard compliant.
If people always use free software even if it is non-standard, then we end up in a wold similar to the M$ world and the only advantage is that we don't have to pay.
A real important issue of freedom is that yopu are not limited by proprietaty interfaces and file formats and may choose between available implementations.
Jörg
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Joerg Schilling schilling@fokus.gmd.de writes:
It seems that here are even people who refuse to read the POSIX standard because it may become non-free in the future.
The POSIX standard has never been free, AFAIK.
The current online copy available at no cost is not very suitable for reference purposes as it does not include section numbers, and because it is non-free, we cannot just add them.
When I am doing my work, I choose the best combination of programs - while I prefer free software if available _and_ if the free software is standard compliant.
So you use X.400 for mail? Wow.
In any case, freedom is more important than advancement of technology.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 05:18:01PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
In any case, freedom is more important than advancement of technology.
Long-term freedom will result in more advanced technology anyway.
Jeroen Dekkers
Joerg Schilling schilling@fokus.gmd.de wrote:
It seems that here are even people who refuse to read the POSIX standard because it may become non-free in the future.
I believe that you are referring to me and I refuse to read the POSIX standard while they reserve the right to charge me in the future for having done so. If that is not the case, they should fix their wording. Simple point which I hope you can comprehend.
When I am doing my work, I choose the best combination of programs - while I prefer free software if available _and_ if the free software is standard compliant.
If you are referring to SCCS, it appears that aegis is capable of using that format for the changes, but you decline to comment on that point so far.
On the other hand, is a standard defined after GNU started by a group that did not include GNU something to aim for?
If people always use free software even if it is non-standard, then we end up in a wold similar to the M$ world and the only advantage is that we don't have to pay.
Rubbish. There is no such thing as a closed file format with free software, as it is always possible to adapt the reader code from the original program. In most cases, the file formats are clearly and explicitly documented anyway.
A real important issue of freedom is that yopu are not limited by proprietaty interfaces and file formats and may choose between available implementations.
Yes, general open file formats are better, but it is still possible (if sometimes difficult) to recover the data from any Free Software program.
On Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 05:06:14PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote:
When I am doing my work, I choose the best combination of programs - while I prefer free software if available _and_ if the free software is standard compliant.
GNU/Linux isn't POSIX compliant. Do you prefer a proprietary unix which is POSIX compatible instead of GNU/Linux?
If people always use free software even if it is non-standard, then we end up in a wold similar to the M$ world and the only advantage is that we don't have to pay.
And we would have the freedom to do what we want!!!
Jeroen Dekkers