Daniel's article about the use of proprietary software and services
by the FSFE:
https://danielpocock.com/pmpc-for-fsfe-itself ...a long discussion last year, starting here... https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2017-June/011591.html ...and ending here: https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2017-October/011934.html
We may be wrong to give awards to organisations who use Free Software to achieve their objectives.
I say this because I see how beauty pageants, and the general seductions of seeking 'prestige' tend to make topics like privacy, surveillance and ultimately, control seem more juvenile than they really are. In any case, it's hard to out-match the behavior of companies like Google and Facebook in terms of their huge success in trivializing such things in my view. For those of us that are doing our best to use Free Software and improve it, I believe the rewards for knowing we are in control of the technology are more than sufficient?
What is at stake here I think in the Free Software universe is not about levels of adoption and pragmatics, since many CMS packages and FS flavors of linux are already doing pretty well in terms of 'market share' I think, (if I can put it that way). What I imagine is on the horizon is humanity having to deal with such challenges as IoT and AI while attenuating the land-grabbing mentality of the tech. giants and the extraordinary resources they already have at their disposal to influence governments and civil society - tax evasion, high-level 'cabals' lobbying for international trade exemptions and so forth.
In terms of the FSFE, I think there are some obvious problems with the way things are done (or not done perhaps) which I think may be somewhat related to the relationships between the various actors at GA level, which I know nothing about and to be frank, cannot really get excited about because I don't see what I want to see at the FSFE. I have mostly lost interest in FSFE and instead have decided to support FSF in America for the time being. I don't agree with everything FSF stands for, but I do admire it enough to switch my affiliation for now.
Having worked with non-profits since the early nineties I see the same problems time and time again which are beyond the scope of this email, but can be generally classified as 'parochialism', getting too bogged down in personal battles and internal politics and losing the 'big picture' which I generally attribute to a prevailing images of the confluence of post-sufficiency (capitalist) philanthropy and liberal voluntaryism.
I agree it is not only 'right' for the FSFE to set the highest standards, but it can also be politically useful to be able to articulate a clear ethos. A 'zero-tolerance' policy is great for PR and helps to create the necessary differentiation between slippery customers like 'Open Source'.
However, this stance is often seen as 'anti-business', 'anti-capitalist', 'utopian' and all the rest of it, which is where a lot of the anxiety is among business-oriented people (industrialists if you like). For business owners to admit that Free Software has a potential to circumvent the normative business practices they want, based on notions of appropriate incentives, private property and a stable macro-economic is akin to admitting a kind of personal defeat too, and for many it is (psychologically) too much to bear perhaps?
This is why the public code / public money campaign seems like a good idea at first, because it aligns an objective of the FSFE ('public code') with an identifiable social reality 'public money'. The one downside of this of course is the real tyrants, the ambitious industrialists and neoliberals just out to exploit for personal advantage (once again) manage to avoid the heat while publicly funded organizations are put under more pressure to meet standards that business leaders don't feel obliged to meet while doing everything they can to evade.
The problem with seeing FS just as a kind of liberal-minded , ethical gimmick for a business to enable it to produce a sense of social conscience, rather than a core ideal for humanity is that it is still bound to a more contentious idea of 'empowering' people to pursue goals to improve their lives (which for many people is fine) by putting capital and labour together to create products that add value (which for many people, isn't fine). The result is (again!) the accumulation of private property interests which brings with it problems such as social injustice, rising inequalities and powers of extractive elites enjoying monopoly profits.
FS advocates that fail to see how the broader logic of capitalism succeeds at connecting to even our best, socially motivated intentions means that half-heated solutions like 'Open Source' can still create outcomes that threaten to harm public and merit goods by meeting in secret to develop plans that do not benefit society as a whole.
For me, I think until the FSFE abandons what seems to me to resemble a kind of 'watered-down' market-led ideology at the highest level and fully adopts a more appropriate political philosophy and (as importantly), culture - I predict many years of in-fighting, confusion, missed opportunities and personal hurt ahead for all involved at that level of organization?
/ mat
First of all, I fully accept your position although I don't agree to it and its reasoning.
# Mat Witts [2018-06-14 10:35 +0200]:
For me, I think until the FSFE abandons what seems to me to resemble a kind of 'watered-down' market-led ideology at the highest level and fully adopts a more appropriate political philosophy and (as importantly), culture - I predict many years of in-fighting, confusion, missed opportunities and personal hurt ahead for all involved at that level of organization?
I think the FSFE doesn't have *one* ideology. We are an organisation with as many ideologies as people being part of it. And isn't this the great thing about Free Software? It has benefits for so many areas and political standpoints, from philosophical, political, ethical, commercial, environmental, educational and many more points of views. But it all comes down to the four freedoms!
It's completely natural that in an NGO with so many people involved and our long history, we have disagreement when it comes to our position on certain issues, e.g. the evaluation of the current economical system and how certain tech companies behave. But that's OK, and the bandwidth of our activities and campaigns represents this diversity.
Forcing everyone to agree on the one and only ideology would surely create more fights and demotivation. If you feel that another organisation (who I guarantee to have similar internal conflicts :P) fit your standpoint better, please support them. But I think to know even more people who value the diversity and tolerance of viewpoints the FSFE offers.
Best, Max