On 14 February 2012 13:53, Jelle Hermsen jelle@fsfe.org wrote:
Hi, Unfortunately I didn't get any response from Tekmote. I take it they're not interested, although a reply from them would have been nice.
No problem.
I am starting to believe that we should postpone this until next year and do it right. If we wanted to, it would be possible to rush it through, but I am of the opinion that we simply would not get the results we are looking for, and it would be more beneficial to pick the idea up in December 2012 to organize a grandiose competition.
Regards,
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On 02/14/2012 03:04 PM, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild wrote:
On 14 February 2012 13:53, Jelle Hermsen jelle@fsfe.org wrote:
Hi, Unfortunately I didn't get any response from Tekmote. I take it they're not interested, although a reply from them would have been nice.
No problem.
I am starting to believe that we should postpone this until next year and do it right. If we wanted to, it would be possible to rush it through, but I am of the opinion that we simply would not get the results we are looking for, and it would be more beneficial to pick the idea up in December 2012 to organize a grandiose competition.
For my part, I was planning to start working on the competition for Italy later today. It seems that if we want to do it as a test we have to start with Estonia and Italy. We still have one month before the presentation deadline, and I think it's possible to manage it. Even if it doesn't work, it would be nice just to have a feedback and some nice ideas to have for next year.
If we decide to do so, we have to draft an e-mail to send to schools and to intermediary organisations (I know a couple of them in Italy), who could spread the voice further. I guess this e-mail should be ready to be sent out before the end of the week (the sooner the better).
The other step would be to define a jury. I have no clue how we could do that.
What do you think?
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On 14 February 2012 14:19, Alessandro Polvani alessandro.polvani@fsfe.org wrote:
For my part, I was planning to start working on the competition for Italy later today. It seems that if we want to do it as a test we have to start with Estonia and Italy. We still have one month before the presentation deadline, and I think it's possible to manage it. Even if it doesn't work, it would be nice just to have a feedback and some nice ideas to have for next year.
Well... Then we will do that.
If we decide to do so, we have to draft an e-mail to send to schools and to intermediary organisations (I know a couple of them in Italy), who could spread the voice further. I guess this e-mail should be ready to be sent out before the end of the week (the sooner the better).
Let's draft something here: http://etherpad.fsfe.org/pg04Sk1jUa.
The other step would be to define a jury. I have no clue how we could do that.
We can either let ~5 people volunteer or we can organize a vote among the Fellows.
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On 02/14/2012 03:51 PM, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild wrote:
Let's draft something here: http://etherpad.fsfe.org/pg04Sk1jUa.
ok - thank you for working on this.
I have two doubts:
* the English language. This is a huge barrier at least for Italy, where maybe the 10% of students of an average high school (excluding schools with a focus on languages) would be able and willing to write a blog post in English. Maybe I go wrong but that would be a huge barrier. This does not mean that we can't do it, but that we could not expect, in my opinion, a huge participation.
* I think we should announce the prize with the competition announcement, to motivate people to participate without restricting the audience on people who are already familiar with Open Standards. So I also propose to quickly brainstorm about the prize. The Yeelong laptop that was proposed on a previous e-mail costs $449 (340 EUR) both on http://freedomincluded.com/ and on amazon.com
Best,
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On 14 February 2012 15:44, Alessandro Polvani alessandro.polvani@fsfe.org wrote:
On 02/14/2012 03:51 PM, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild wrote:
- the English language. This is a huge barrier at least for Italy,
where maybe the 10% of students of an average high school (excluding schools with a focus on languages) would be able and willing to write a blog post in English. Maybe I go wrong but that would be a huge barrier. This does not mean that we can't do it, but that we could not expect, in my opinion, a huge participation.
If we dropped the requirement, we would have to organize the translation of the entries for the jury.
- I think we should announce the prize with the competition
announcement, to motivate people to participate without restricting the audience on people who are already familiar with Open Standards. So I also propose to quickly brainstorm about the prize. The Yeelong laptop that was proposed on a previous e-mail costs $449 (340 EUR) both on http://freedomincluded.com/ and on amazon.com
I agree. I hope that Matthias can offer some insights (especially regarding the budget) here. I like doing things that are the right things to do, and I need no extra motivators. Thus, I probably cannot pick the best prizes. But someone on the lists is bound to have experience organizing contests.
Regards,
Our announcement draft http://etherpad.fsfe.org/ep/pad/view/pg04Sk1jUa/lbwQlO8ja1 is nearly finalized. It is still waiting for the information on prizes and jury. All sort of comments would be welcome.
Hi, I read it and like it. The goals and objectives are easy to grasp and described well.
Regarding the license at the bottom I would suggest replacing "laxer" with "more permissive". I think that's the common way to describe a more liberal license.
And personally I would like to see the removal of the following paragraph, although I do understand why it's there: "The entries need not agree with all the positions of the FSFE; however, as we have our own agenda, your entry should be favourable to Free Software and Open Standards."
I would really like to read entries that are not favorable to FS and Open Standards. It could be an opportunity to learn from and I think it's always interesting to avoid group think now and then, just to keep your thoughts fresh and your reasoning sound.
Cheers, Jelle
On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:30:24 +0100, discussion-bounces@fsfeurope.org wrote:
Our announcement draft http://etherpad.fsfe.org/ep/pad/view/pg04Sk1jUa/lbwQlO8ja1 is nearly finalized. It is still waiting for the information on prizes and jury. All sort of comments would be welcome.
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Hi Heiki,
* Heiki Repentinus Ojasild repentinus@fsfe.org [2012-02-14 16:03:44 +0000]:
- I think we should announce the prize with the competition
announcement, to motivate people to participate without restricting the audience on people who are already familiar with Open Standards. So I also propose to quickly brainstorm about the prize. The Yeelong laptop that was proposed on a previous e-mail costs $449 (340 EUR) both on http://freedomincluded.com/ and on amazon.com
I agree. I hope that Matthias can offer some insights (especially regarding the budget) here.
How many people do you think you can reach with this activity? If you think you can get 10+ participants to write something 340 EUR would be ok from the budget point.
Regards, Matthias
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On 02/14/2012 05:03 PM, Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild wrote:
If we dropped the requirement, we would have to organize the translation of the entries for the jury.
I think we can handle that by making things a bit flexible. If we really success and we have *a lot* of posts in Italian, I could just summarise the content of them for the jury, or organise a 2-step selection where best posts are shortlisted and translated for the jury (I think I can take care of that). I think that this procedure would be far better than the one which involves accepting only posts in English.
Regards,
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Matthias, I very much hope we can get more than 10 people to write. Cannot make any guarantees obviously. :-(
Alessandro, we could add Italian and Estonian, but we would have to stress that it is in the competitor's best interest to write in English.
Does anyone have ideas on the jury? Or proposals to partake in a jury?
We are also going to need a competition@documentfreedom.org mailing address or something like that to accept the submissions.
Cheers,
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:07:52 +0100, Heiki wrote:
Does anyone have ideas on the jury? Or proposals to partake in a jury?
I would love to partake in such a jury, but I do see the language of the essays might become an issue. I can read Dutch, English, German and a bit of French, anything else (beside some dead languages :) is off limits for me.
Heiki mentioned this in an e-mail on 9 Feb: "Also, as not many people seem to be interested in running it, suggestions on how to best judge the entries would be welcome. I would prefer a jury but we may have to resort to a popular vote among the Fellows or something."
If we have to resort to non-english entries a combination of these suggestions might be easiest, just like Alessandro mentioned but then with the option of replacing the jury with a vote. Anyway, if you decide to go with a jury, count me in!
If I had more time I would have offered to run a part of this contest in the Netherlands, but from experience I've had as a math teacher intern, I know it would take me much more time to get this up and running. Things tend to move slow and extremely bureaucratic in most Dutch schools.
Cheers, Jelle