Am 23.07.2017 um 09:03 schrieb Evaggelos Balaskas:
Social media are now part of our life (I am not debating if they should or not), but diminish them to cat videos is a strong opinion. 90% of email is SPAM, should we stop using email? Lots of people have their email to a proprietary platform. Should we stop talk to them? Should we only talk to people who have similar ideas with us?
... There is a fundamental difference between proprietary platforms with their own proprietary protocols used quasi-publicly (like Facebook) and proprietary platforms usable with public (FOSS) protocols, like Gmail, and Email or "WWW", etc. in general. As a non-Gmail-user, I can still read from and write to a Gmail account. As a non-Facebook-user, I can read some Facebook content, but not write to it. This leads to discrimination when quasi-public organisations use Facebook. E.g. Swiss television and radio (a so-called public service) no longer uses open email addresses or even specific web-forms, (except a single catch-all one and for some very few programs mainly used by old people) and asks viewers to communicate via Facebook, even in things like sweepstakes which are legally open to all. (I was effectively denied the chance to win a bicycle recently because I don't have a Facebook account. There would have been an email address to use, but it was kept secret, but the program mentioned Facebook dozens of times.)
The FSFE should of course also talk to people who use Facebook, etc, but perhaps not by using Facebook, because that means having a Facebook account and so condoning this system. If anybody should boycott things like Facebook, it is organisations like FSFE. If an FSFE-fellow has a private Facebook account and links to FSFE-Webpages, that is another matter.
Cheers, Theo (using mail account from pseudo public service provider with SMTP or something)
Le 23/07/2017 à 12:02, Theo Schmidt a écrit :
There is a fundamental difference between proprietary platforms with their own proprietary protocols used quasi-publicly (like Facebook) and proprietary platforms usable with public (FOSS) protocols, like Gmail, and Email or "WWW", etc. in general. As a non-Gmail-user, I can still read from and write to a Gmail account. As a non-Facebook-user, I can read some Facebook content, but not write to it. This leads to discrimination when quasi-public organisations use Facebook. E.g. Swiss television and radio (a so-called public service) no longer uses open email addresses or even specific web-forms
Hi, yes you're absolutely right and in france this is more and more a problem and will continue to, especially with our new president. And I add to this the need to have a computer-phone for more and more things too, while public services are closing: Documentations printed on paper(transport schedules...), phone booths, human desks in postal service, transport services, etc.
Living in this world become more and more difficult, I don't how and how long I will succeed in survive in it.
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On 01/09/17 08:20, Stephane Ascoet wrote:
Le 23/07/2017 à 12:02, Theo Schmidt a écrit : >> >> There is a fundamental difference between proprietary platforms
with >> their own proprietary protocols used quasi-publicly (like Facebook) and >> proprietary platforms usable with public (FOSS) protocols, like Gmail, >> and Email or "WWW", etc. in general. As a non-Gmail-user, I can still >> read from and write to a Gmail account. As a non-Facebook-user, I can >> read some Facebook content, but not write to it. This leads to >> discrimination when quasi-public organisations use Facebook. E.g. Swiss >> television and radio (a so-called public service) no longer uses open >> email addresses or even specific web-forms > > Hi, yes you're absolutely right and in france this is more and more a problem and will continue to, especially with our new president. And I add to this the need to have a computer-phone for more and more things too, while public services are closing: Documentations printed on paper(transport schedules...), phone booths, human desks in postal service, transport services, etc. > > Living in this world become more and more difficult, I don't how and how long I will succeed in survive in it. Indeed some services are nearly all Facebook so unless you're on facebook you can't access those services so it seems they are forcing people to use Facebook, so everyone is then assimilated to that system.
There is an assumption you are on Facebook or want to use / be on Facebook, i am not to sure what is worse out of those two.
What would happen if we signed up to Facebook using say a protonmail account and bound a diaspora account to it, that way you can write to Facebook without directly logging in, with a very minimal profile it becomes much harder to figure out who you really are,
we could have a sort of reverse more information thing where people have fb.me which is a short cut to a facebook article we could have one that points to diaspora for more information,
I am looking at putting together a series of tutorials or documents that cover basic computer usage, hopefully in line with the UK functional skills syllabus. Using free software rather than MS office (use libreoffivce), I think it is also feasible to get people to do the codecademy SQL course, for the database section, codecademy also has other learning materials (HTML/CSS etc), for other aspects of the course,.
Granted this kind of goes back to free vs proprietary systems, but there is also a question of re-inventing the wheel, why reproduce online learning people, we could direct people to kahn academy and edx too.
I think what would be important is to emphasize the fact that the vocabulary is the same, regardless of what you use, so bold is the same in html <b></b> or latex /texfbf{bold text} or using office software or even markdown.
Paul
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