Buongiorno Stefan,
Am Dienstag 11 September 2018 21:36:49 schrieb Stefan Uygur:
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 8:08 PM Bernhard E. Reiter bernhard@fsfe.org
Exactly Bernhard, for your point of view. As from my point of view putting someone's name in the subject indicates nothing but an instigation/provocation or calling for war.
then I hereby apologise to Daniel and those who interpreted it this way! As it was not meant to be provocative. (My aim was to be clear as respect towards all readers, this is why I am changing the subject often if I believe the main topic has shifted.)
It is not unrespectful in my eyes. Instead it shows what others cannot understand the difference between the missed opportunities and your public demands.
Who are the others Bernhard?
On this particular point a number of people on this public mailinglist that have responded to Daniel's mails. For example Harald Welte (on the 30th), Nikos Roussos (on the 30th), Torsten Grote (on the 1st), Florian Snow (on the 5th), Carsten Agger (on the 3rd), Reinhard Müller (on the 29th), Max Mehl (on the 29th), Michael Kesper (on the 28th), Christian Kalkhoff (on the 29th).
Can they speak on their behalf if you don't mind me asking pls?
Many of them already did, see my incomplete list above. Also I do not speak "for them", which I cannot. What I am trying to do is to summarize my observations.
Given that there has been offensive language against individuals on this list and that some points haven raised before, I can understand that many do not feel comfortable exposing themselfs. I am respecting their choice.
So let me ask you this question again. Given the incompatibility what are the amendments and actions that FSFE staff is prepared to take from practical point of view?
To clarify: I do not speak for the staff nor for the executive leadership of FSFE.
If you ask me what to do, I hope we can a) establish a constructive tone and atmosphere b) listen and ask back to understand what issues there are in the Free Software communities and c) propose an adapted course for FSFE and sail it
b) and c) is a regular activity of FSFE staff, executive leadership and volunteers. It may or may not turn out issues are bigger this time. (However in 17 years of FSFE there had been a lot of larger controversies.)
And just FYI, I am not referring to Daniel only when I talk about incompatibility, there are lots of people/supporters who things the same way, therefore incompatible and they will come out soon....
The incompatibility I was refering to is one of working styles between Daniel and many e.V. members, other volunteers and community members. It is not about criticism of FSFE's structure. It is about how FSFE shall discuss topics, forms an opinion and works together. Somehow working with Daniel turned out to be non-constructive and after trying to moderate and clarify missunderstandings in this case I meanwhile unfortunately see no other choice as to end the working relationship with him. I believe this is for the better of everyone.
I am quite sure that many people and supporters holding similiar opinions are able to voice themselfs differently and I am looking forward working with all of you!
Best Regards, Bernhard