Hi guys,
|| On Wed, 9 May 2001 18:33:28 +0100 (BST) || E L Tonkin py7elt@bath.ac.uk wrote:
elt> ...
elt> Otherwise, I'd rather see a bunch of annoyed answers leading to elt> a six-week thread war, than I would a sort of stunned elt> silence... Or have we elsewhere, previously, discussed the elt> points that came up?
Parts of it have been discussed, but it doesn't matter.
It is true that we have been stunned into silence a bit, but this was mostly due to a complete overload... each of us handles a lot of mail normally already and adding 40k a day to that is somewhat tough.
Still nothing has been forgotten or not been seen and I'll try to answer some of these questions now.
I could probably say that we indeed plan to do all the things you were listing and these were several of the reasons why we feel the FSF Europe is needed, but I'll try to answer them in detail... :)
elt> Stuff like
elt> * what /are/ the short-term aims of the fsfe? Establishing GPL elt> for each country, first? Then what?
Yes, making the GPL more bullet-proof for each European country and keeping it that way is one of our tasks.
elt> * What about long-term aims?
In the very long run we want to change the system in a way that it'll work in favor of free software and to ensure the existance of free software.
elt> * Is the FSFE structure good enough? What's wrong with it? What elt> do we need to fix? What about the sub-FSF chapters? Do geeks elt> really fit into a hierarchy? (hint: no)
We believe the structure we have found is actually very good and so far we haven't seen anything that would promise better results. Anarchy may work on a small level in some cases (and it is definitely preferrable there), but for something as big as a Europe-wide movement, a structure is needed.
More about this in different post.
elt> * Policy on finances, financial gain, industry freebies...
Well. As a charitable organization according to German law we are forbidden to make a profit from the FSF Europe ourselves. We can earn money for the FSF Europe, but that money *has* to be used to further the goals of Free Software *only*.
elt> * Exact structure of the FSFE, granted that those in power have elt> absolute authority. How 'reachable' an organisation should the elt> FSFE be? What do you do if you have this Great Idea you want to elt> put before them? The FSFE need to listen, or they'll end up out elt> of touch...
Absolutely. The reason why we created all these interfaces into the FSF Europe is that we want people to take part and be involved. Currently I'm not aware of any other organization above the local level that discusses its internals as openly as the FSF Europe does.
elt> * What about your average idiot, who thinks Windows is elt> complicated? I am sorry to say it, but we've been working on it elt> for several years and we STILL don't have a version of GNU/Linux elt> that installs and /does stuff/ painlessly. Is that an FSF(E) elt> problem? Do we care about Software For Your Average Idiot? or do elt> we tell them to go hang?... or do we grit our teeth, take a copy elt> of The Inmates Are Running The Asylum, and work out what they elt> /do/ need?
If someone had a concrete idea how to make free software easier to use/install or how to get it spread more effectively, helping this (whichever way help would be needed) would be a task of the FSF Europe, yes. Also we might try to start such a project... it very much depends on the single case.
But in general it can be said that this would be an area of the FSF Europe.
elt> * Directing software development. IMHO the things that GNU/Linux elt> currently needs ought to be defined, decided upon, and elt> integrated into Debian or whatever. No doubt Debian think this elt> too, and are busy doing it. Is this at all a FSF(E) problem?
Yes. Although we of course can't and don't want to tell Debian what to do, we'll definitely try to develop the technical vision beyond what we have today.
elt> * What about community? Does the FSFE have interest in getting elt> into establishing any LUG-style initiatives?
Probably more like "GNU User Groups," but yes. Where no suitable associated organization (see posting about structure) exists, we'll help the locals creating it. If there are already established well-working organizations, this would probably be waste of time.
elt> * If the free software community, what about trade union stuff, elt> people being forced to sign NDAs then getting hobbled by them in elt> their free software work? What about working out reasonable NDAs elt> in the spirit of the GPL? (NDA==Non Disclosure Agreement)
Good idea. Yeah, this would *definitely* be a thing to do for the FSFE.
elt> * How about tracking evil DMCA-style laws in each country? elt> That's an FSFE issue. Who does it? What do you do if you want to elt> contribute info?
The legal aspect is very important. We expect to spend a reasonable part of our money on legal fees, because if we miss what's going on, free software might be illegal tomorrow.
An example: in Germany a professor wanted to stop the evil record companies from ripping off young musicians. So he proposed a law that would *forbid* to give away copyrighted material without proper compensation. Since free software is (according to German law) a gift, it would become illegal then.
The professor and the politicians hadn't even *thought* about free software when thinking about this, but hadn't we been working closely together with some lawyers and started raising the point, we might have found ourselves in a BAD situation soon.
Together with the lawyers we have suggested a change that'll make an exception for free software and it looks favorable right now... so everything is under control.
But keeping an eye out for that sort of thing is *definitely* a task of the FSF Europe.
elt> * To repeat myself once more, what about the whole damn woman elt> issue? (And /be/ political, people, would you? This is a elt> discussion list. If you think it's all a non-issue, say so)
What about it? We'd be happy to see more females involved in software. We haven't planned anything to this extent but it might be possibly that we'll try to encourage it at some point.
elt> * What about stuff like legal defence, patents, all that? Does elt> the FSFE get into all that? How much?
See above. Yes, we are definitely getting into this, because this is one of the areas where you need a recognized organization that people take seriously. The FSF Europe will try to provide that.
elt> * How about stuff like DVD regionality, and blah? Would the FSFE elt> consider working out which countries having region-free DVD is elt> legal in, to be part of their job? True, it's hardware, but it's elt> ABOUT the freedom of individuals, and DeCSS is about software. I elt> consider this to be a place that /somebody/ has to work in, if elt> the word 'free' is to continue having meaning.
If we have a good idea how to approach this, we'd definitely get involved.
elt> I noticed earlier that somebody has a .sig file asking what elt> they'll do when their child asks them where they were when elt> freedom of speech was taken away from the Internet. Well, that elt> day is more or less here. Idiot companies are verging on the elt> side of total corporate paranoia, attempting control of every elt> media file out there. True, they won't stop the determined, elt> but...
Exactly. And we decided we want to tell our children: "We organized ourselves to work against it and tell people with a unified voice that we will not accept this!"
Regards, Georg