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On Sunday 23. August 2015 14.39.40 Florian Weimer wrote:
Seems rather speculative to me.
A lot of free software aficionados are also happy Gmail users, and have agreed to terms that are, on paper, extremely far-reaching and obnoxious.
Yes, but they agreed to those terms as an individual choosing a mail service: it wasn't part of them signing up to do something else.
And also, the use of Free Software is directly impacted by this cloud-pushing agenda, meaning that the viability of Free Software is affected since, just as it is when people decide to spend large sums on proprietary software, beneficial investment is withheld from improving Free Software that competes with those cloud products.
That's a separate discussion, but I fail to see how it relates to privacy.
You claimed that the original topic, or least its focus on privacy, had nothing to do with Free Software and wasn't worthy of discussion on this list. I was only noting that the phenomenon observed (that happens to raise privacy issues) does have an impact on Free Software. Is that not worth discussing either?
And as far as I can tell, the FSF (US) does not consider a healthy community of developers are primary goal, the priority is end user freedom.
And is using proprietary cloud services with potentially unacceptable terms that you may not even have had a reasonable chance to disagree with good or bad for user freedom?
The GPL v3 even contains an explicit permission to use cloud providers tu ron proprietary, GPL-derived software.
And the part of GPLv3 that says this is...?
Paul